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Re: Observations of the Random sort

Posted: 18 Nov 2020, 09:41
by D.A. Ridgely
NSA Approved

Re: Observations of the Random sort

Posted: 18 Nov 2020, 14:15
by Dangerman
Individually haunted by Steve Jobs' ghost.

Re: Observations of the Random sort

Posted: 18 Nov 2020, 16:04
by lunchstealer
Pham Nuwen wrote: 18 Nov 2020, 09:15 "Military grade"
lol for anything short of big budget stuff, military grade is almost universally shit compared to the equivalent civilian market stuff.

Re: Observations of the Random sort

Posted: 18 Nov 2020, 16:08
by Aresen
lunchstealer wrote: 18 Nov 2020, 16:04
Pham Nuwen wrote: 18 Nov 2020, 09:15 "Military grade"
lol for anything short of big budget stuff, military grade is almost universally shit compared to the equivalent civilian market stuff.
On the big budget stuff, the military doesn't have a stellar procurement record when it comes to quality.

Of course, I've never been in the market for a tank.

Re: Observations of the Random sort

Posted: 18 Nov 2020, 16:18
by Number 6
Others will verify this, but this now-retired military guy can testify that milspec doesn’t mean a damn thing. Most military gear is crap. The exceptions are the poncho liner (woobie to Army guys), field jacket liner, gortex coat, 3-piece sleeping bag, and the KA-BAR.

Re: Observations of the Random sort

Posted: 18 Nov 2020, 16:21
by dead_elvis
Dangerman wrote: 18 Nov 2020, 14:15 Individually haunted by Steve Jobs' ghost.
Great, now in addition to all my own insecurities I'll have Steve Jobs yelling at me for not being perfect.

Re: Observations of the Random sort

Posted: 18 Nov 2020, 16:24
by lunchstealer
Number 6 wrote: 18 Nov 2020, 16:18 Others will verify this, but this now-retired military guy can testify that milspec doesn’t mean a damn thing. Most military gear is crap. The exceptions are the poncho liner (woobie to Army guys), field jacket liner, gortex coat, 3-piece sleeping bag, and the KA-BAR.
Yeah, having handled a standard issue M-16 magazine and civilian AR-15 magazines, the military one has the build quality of a Happy Meal toy by comparison.

Re: Observations of the Random sort

Posted: 18 Nov 2020, 16:30
by Warren
Number 6 wrote: 18 Nov 2020, 16:18 Others will verify this, but this now-retired military guy can testify that milspec doesn’t mean a damn thing. Most military gear is crap. The exceptions are the poncho liner (woobie to Army guys), field jacket liner, gortex coat, 3-piece sleeping bag, and the KA-BAR.
Wasn't the case when I served. I'm talking electronic equipment here. It had to stand up to more physical abuse and keep on working than civilian equivalent. I was an electronics technician serving on-board a ship in the USN. The copiers (ask your mom) we bought were the same Xerox and Savin models used in mail-rooms and offices across the US, but they were modified to take more shaking and rolling.

Also, the radios in the radio room were not state of the art because they held up to more abuse.

Re: Observations of the Random sort

Posted: 18 Nov 2020, 16:35
by JD
I wonder if some of that is just due to different tradeoffs. An F-22 is a fairly amazing piece of equipment, but it also requires something like 30 hours of maintenance for every hour of actual use; nobody would accept that in any other field, I don't think.

Re: Observations of the Random sort

Posted: 18 Nov 2020, 16:39
by thoreau
lunchstealer wrote: 18 Nov 2020, 16:24
Number 6 wrote: 18 Nov 2020, 16:18 Others will verify this, but this now-retired military guy can testify that milspec doesn’t mean a damn thing. Most military gear is crap. The exceptions are the poncho liner (woobie to Army guys), field jacket liner, gortex coat, 3-piece sleeping bag, and the KA-BAR.
Yeah, having handled a standard issue M-16 magazine and civilian AR-15 magazines, the military one has the build quality of a Happy Meal toy by comparison.
And yet we give them literal rivers of cash.

Re: Observations of the Random sort

Posted: 18 Nov 2020, 16:41
by Warren
thoreau wrote: 18 Nov 2020, 16:39
lunchstealer wrote: 18 Nov 2020, 16:24
Number 6 wrote: 18 Nov 2020, 16:18 Others will verify this, but this now-retired military guy can testify that milspec doesn’t mean a damn thing. Most military gear is crap. The exceptions are the poncho liner (woobie to Army guys), field jacket liner, gortex coat, 3-piece sleeping bag, and the KA-BAR.
Yeah, having handled a standard issue M-16 magazine and civilian AR-15 magazines, the military one has the build quality of a Happy Meal toy by comparison.
And yet we give them literal rivers of cash.
Where is this river of cash??? Can you go tubing in it? I want to dangle my feet in the tens and twenties as they float by.

Re: Observations of the Random sort

Posted: 18 Nov 2020, 17:05
by Number 6
thoreau wrote: 18 Nov 2020, 16:39
lunchstealer wrote: 18 Nov 2020, 16:24
Number 6 wrote: 18 Nov 2020, 16:18 Others will verify this, but this now-retired military guy can testify that milspec doesn’t mean a damn thing. Most military gear is crap. The exceptions are the poncho liner (woobie to Army guys), field jacket liner, gortex coat, 3-piece sleeping bag, and the KA-BAR.
Yeah, having handled a standard issue M-16 magazine and civilian AR-15 magazines, the military one has the build quality of a Happy Meal toy by comparison.
And yet we give them literal rivers of cash.
Figurative. [/archer]

Re: Observations of the Random sort

Posted: 18 Nov 2020, 20:08
by D.A. Ridgely
Number 6 wrote: 18 Nov 2020, 17:05
thoreau wrote: 18 Nov 2020, 16:39
lunchstealer wrote: 18 Nov 2020, 16:24
Number 6 wrote: 18 Nov 2020, 16:18 Others will verify this, but this now-retired military guy can testify that milspec doesn’t mean a damn thing. Most military gear is crap. The exceptions are the poncho liner (woobie to Army guys), field jacket liner, gortex coat, 3-piece sleeping bag, and the KA-BAR.
Yeah, having handled a standard issue M-16 magazine and civilian AR-15 magazines, the military one has the build quality of a Happy Meal toy by comparison.
And yet we give them literal rivers of cash.
Figurative. [/archer]
He probably meant littoral.

Re: Observations of the Random sort

Posted: 18 Nov 2020, 20:16
by Number 6
D.A. Ridgely wrote: 18 Nov 2020, 20:08
Number 6 wrote: 18 Nov 2020, 17:05
thoreau wrote: 18 Nov 2020, 16:39
lunchstealer wrote: 18 Nov 2020, 16:24
Number 6 wrote: 18 Nov 2020, 16:18 Others will verify this, but this now-retired military guy can testify that milspec doesn’t mean a damn thing. Most military gear is crap. The exceptions are the poncho liner (woobie to Army guys), field jacket liner, gortex coat, 3-piece sleeping bag, and the KA-BAR.
Yeah, having handled a standard issue M-16 magazine and civilian AR-15 magazines, the military one has the build quality of a Happy Meal toy by comparison.
And yet we give them literal rivers of cash.
Figurative. [/archer]
He probably meant littoral.
Ah, so the Coasties and the brown water Navy. Gotcha.

Re: Observations of the Random sort

Posted: 18 Nov 2020, 22:55
by Pham Nuwen
I think that was the funniest part of Space Force. The way they just kept dunking on the coast guard. Good times.

Re: Observations of the Random sort

Posted: 19 Nov 2020, 02:01
by dead_elvis
While the complaints spelled out in the song are familiar lefty stuff, this stood out because I'm used to seeing swipes specifically at the Social Contract coming from the right, not the left. Didn't realize that was a thing. Online I only see lefties complaining that righties want out of it.

Cornelius Cardew - Smash the Social Contract

Re: Observations of the Random sort

Posted: 20 Nov 2020, 19:32
by Aresen
Just out of curiosity, is the Google Doodle in the US about Benoit Mandelbrot today? (That's what google is showing in Canada today.)

Re: Observations of the Random sort

Posted: 20 Nov 2020, 19:41
by Jennifer
Aresen wrote: 20 Nov 2020, 19:32 Just out of curiosity, is the Google Doodle in the US about Benoit Mandelbrot today? (That's what google is showing in Canada today.)
Same here.

Re: Observations of the Random sort

Posted: 20 Nov 2020, 19:59
by lunchstealer
Yup.

Now I'm remembering how like 17% of science fiction and popular science literature of the - what late 80s or early 90s maybe? - was all about Chaos Theory and the mandelbrot set and all that shit.

Re: Observations of the Random sort

Posted: 20 Nov 2020, 20:28
by Shem
lunchstealer wrote: 20 Nov 2020, 19:59 Yup.

Now I'm remembering how like 17% of science fiction and popular science literature of the - what late 80s or early 90s maybe? - was all about Chaos Theory and the mandelbrot set and all that shit.
It makes me think of Chip's Challenge.

Re: Observations of the Random sort

Posted: 21 Nov 2020, 05:28
by Ellie
I used to want a tramp stamp tattoo that was (an approximation of, obviously, haha) the Mandelbrot Set. I guess I still kinda do, although now that I've failed as a math major it seems poser-y.

Re: Observations of the Random sort

Posted: 21 Nov 2020, 19:17
by dhex
A Mandelbrot tramp stamp is a goldmine for pickup lines in both directions. Plus a sort of pre filter.

Re: Observations of the Random sort

Posted: 21 Nov 2020, 19:25
by lunchstealer
With a caption that reads, "It stays complex as you go down"?

Re: Observations of the Random sort

Posted: 21 Nov 2020, 21:17
by Pham Nuwen
I uh don't know what you guys are talking about. I'm just going to assume Ellie would be drowning in pussy right now if she had the aforementioned tramp stamp. She has only herself to blame for not having said stamp.

Re: Observations of the Random sort

Posted: 21 Nov 2020, 21:42
by lunchstealer
Pham Nuwen wrote: 21 Nov 2020, 21:17 I uh don't know what you guys are talking about. I'm just going to assume Ellie would be drowning in pussy right now if she had the aforementioned tramp stamp. She has only herself to blame for not having said stamp.
the math checks out