Whither the GOP? (post-Trump edition)

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Hugh Akston wrote:
13 Jun 2020, 12:32
Team Red has decided to reuse the 2016 party platform for 2020. All of it.
The warning about speech online is one of more than three dozen unflattering references to either the “current president,” “current chief executive,” “current administration,” people “currently in control” of policy, or the “current occupant” of the White House that appear in the Republican platform. Adopted at the party’s 2016 convention, it has been carried over through 2024 after the executive committee of the Republican National Committee on Wednesday chose not to adopt a new platform for 2020.
“The Middle East is more dangerous now than at any time since the Second World War,” the platform reads. “Whatever their disagreements, presidents of both parties had always prioritized America’s national interests, the trust of friendly governments, and the security of Israel. That sound consensus was replaced with impotent grandstanding on the part of the current President and his Secretaries of State. The results have been ruinous for all parties except Islamic terrorists and their Iranian and other sponsors.”
The platform made a steadfast case against same-sex marriage and called for a constitutional amendment overturning the 2015 Supreme Court decision that struck down laws defining marriage between one man and one woman. And it blames “the current President” for seeking to expand workplace protections to include L.G.B.T.Q. people.
They appear to be having some version control problems.

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Painboy wrote:
13 Jun 2020, 15:50
Hugh Akston wrote:
13 Jun 2020, 12:32
Team Red has decided to reuse the 2016 party platform for 2020. All of it.
The warning about speech online is one of more than three dozen unflattering references to either the “current president,” “current chief executive,” “current administration,” people “currently in control” of policy, or the “current occupant” of the White House that appear in the Republican platform. Adopted at the party’s 2016 convention, it has been carried over through 2024 after the executive committee of the Republican National Committee on Wednesday chose not to adopt a new platform for 2020.
“The Middle East is more dangerous now than at any time since the Second World War,” the platform reads. “Whatever their disagreements, presidents of both parties had always prioritized America’s national interests, the trust of friendly governments, and the security of Israel. That sound consensus was replaced with impotent grandstanding on the part of the current President and his Secretaries of State. The results have been ruinous for all parties except Islamic terrorists and their Iranian and other sponsors.”
The platform made a steadfast case against same-sex marriage and called for a constitutional amendment overturning the 2015 Supreme Court decision that struck down laws defining marriage between one man and one woman. And it blames “the current President” for seeking to expand workplace protections to include L.G.B.T.Q. people.
They appear to be having some version control problems.
Or someone in the administration got tired of Donald Trump's emotional abuse and decided to break bad with some good old fashioned malicious compliance.
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Malicious compliance is the best form of malice, and possibly the best form of compliance.
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Hugh Akston wrote:
13 Jun 2020, 12:32
Team Red has decided to reuse the 2016 party platform for 2020. All of it.
it blames “the current President” for seeking to expand workplace protections to include L.G.B.T.Q. people.
Well that son of a bitch is responsible for appointing the author of the opinion that pretty much solidifies LGBTQ rights far more strongly than even Obergefell, so they're absolutely correct.
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So much for “conservatives aren’t anti-immigration, we’re only anti-illegal immigration.” Trump tore that mask off pretty quickly.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/06/ ... migration/
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I dont think anyone cares on that side of the aisle, Mo. Anymore that is. And I really wonder if they ever did.
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Mo wrote:
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So much for “conservatives aren’t anti-immigration, we’re only anti-illegal immigration.” Trump tore that mask off pretty quickly.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/06/ ... migration/
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Immigration will have no friends at all to the extent it did. We will be talking about how nicely to escort people out and whether people already here can stay here with DACA and such, and the side saying escort nicely and DACA get to stay will be considered pro immigration but nobody will support substantial increases to legal immigration as the right policy.

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JasonL wrote:
25 Jun 2020, 15:03
Immigration will have no friends at all to the extent it did. We will be talking about how nicely to escort people out and whether people already here can stay here with DACA and such, and the side saying escort nicely and DACA get to stay will be considered pro immigration but nobody will support substantial increases to legal immigration as the right policy.
Do you think that will be couched in terms of covid economy recovery, economic inequality for black people, or just because catch & deport is the new (old) normal? Or will it be because nobody is going to talk about immigration in November because of all the other shit on the table?
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Am I right in remembering that there's actually some data that suggests while overall employment is unaffected by immigration, it may actually hurt employment among African Americans?
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JasonL wrote:
25 Jun 2020, 15:03
Immigration will have no friends at all to the extent it did. We will be talking about how nicely to escort people out and whether people already here can stay here with DACA and such, and the side saying escort nicely and DACA get to stay will be considered pro immigration but nobody will support substantial increases to legal immigration as the right policy.
That will last until the very second there are crops rotting in the fields for lack of anyone to pick them. At that point, they'll quietly hash out a guest worker program, and switch focus to Indian and Chinese people with H-1B visas to distract anyone who cares. Because the farm lobby is powerful, and even if they pay wages citizens will accept, nobody is going to accept the requirement to move along with harvest patterns in order to make a living.
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lunchstealer wrote:
25 Jun 2020, 17:35
Am I right in remembering that there's actually some data that suggests while overall employment is unaffected by immigration, it may actually hurt employment among African Americans?
This is from a while ago, so who knows if it has been updated or discredited.
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Shem wrote:
25 Jun 2020, 18:01
JasonL wrote:
25 Jun 2020, 15:03
Immigration will have no friends at all to the extent it did. We will be talking about how nicely to escort people out and whether people already here can stay here with DACA and such, and the side saying escort nicely and DACA get to stay will be considered pro immigration but nobody will support substantial increases to legal immigration as the right policy.
That will last until the very second there are crops rotting in the fields for lack of anyone to pick them. At that point, they'll quietly hash out a guest worker program, and switch focus to Indian and Chinese people with H-1B visas to distract anyone who cares. Because the farm lobby is powerful, and even if they pay wages citizens will accept, nobody is going to accept the requirement to move along with harvest patterns in order to make a living.
Also, tech, finance and the other parts of the economy that contribute to GDP growth will howl like banshees because that’s how they refill their talent. Also, any firm with a decent international footprint needs to rotate their senior talent around the world to make the deals happen. If you Balkanize your firms, you’ll get killed by the competition.
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Early crops will be rotting in the fields in less than a few weeks most likely. I wonder how soon we will see that become a political issue, or if they just give farmers cash/insurance payouts and the rest of us just suck up higher prices.

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Dangerman wrote:
25 Jun 2020, 18:43
Early crops will be rotting in the fields in less than a few weeks most likely. I wonder how soon we will see that become a political issue, or if they just give farmers cash/insurance payouts and the rest of us just suck up higher prices.
If you mean right now, I would bet you almost anything it's going to be the second one.
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When Burger King raises prices, Trump will have no choice but to back down.

More seriously, governments have fallen when food prices rise amidst other chaos. First a pandemic followed quickly by record unemployment, then civil unrest, and now we can't even get cheap food? That's when things get turned upside down. I'm not saying "Oh, it will totally lead to political outcome X," I'm saying it will lead to shit that nobody here would have guessed.
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Frankly I've become impressed and depressed by the potency of the administrative state and economic lever pulling to mask underlying conditions for periods of time. Another way of saying this is we could hold the line on immigration and just MMT our way into economic judgement day.

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thoreau wrote:
25 Jun 2020, 19:18
When Burger King raises prices, Trump will have no choice but to back down.

More seriously, governments have fallen when food prices rise amidst other chaos. First a pandemic followed quickly by record unemployment, then civil unrest, and now we can't even get cheap food? That's when things get turned upside down. I'm not saying "Oh, it will totally lead to political outcome X," I'm saying it will lead to shit that nobody here would have guessed.
I err... agree
People will not tolerate rapidly rising food prices across the board.
The price of Beef can go up, the price of coffee can go up, the price of this or that can go up, and people will adjust their spending accordingly. But if if the price of not starving suddenly rises, people are going to demand that cheap food is made available to them.
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Warren wrote:
25 Jun 2020, 20:35
But if if the price of not starving suddenly rises, people are going to demand that cheap food is made available to them.
And once professional sports reopen, the metonym will be complete.
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JasonL wrote:
25 Jun 2020, 20:34
Frankly I've become impressed and depressed by the potency of the administrative state and economic lever pulling to mask underlying conditions for periods of time. Another way of saying this is we could hold the line on immigration and just MMT our way into economic judgement day.
The depressing part is the complete asymmetry that comes from the conservative side of the court on this that has been a big part of the ratchet. When it comes to Congress delegating powers time the executive (particularly if that power doesn’t have any regulatory impact on polluting industries), they say, “Sorry, Congress signed that power away when they passed the law, even if you have to look cross-eyed at the law to determine that.” However, if a law takes away any power from the presidency, they flip out, yell “unitary executive” and pull back on any limits or oversight. Then they go to Federalist Society meetings and cry about the imperial presidency like it was something that just sorta happened. Somehow Congress passing a law giving away their rights to the executive means that the branch consented to the move of power, but the president signing a bill doesn’t count.
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Yup. Everyone working against sanity because they are able to mask costs punt them to other people etc. Lot of financial crisis logic embedded.

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I don’t know if racism is making the GOP blind, but they think cutting off immigration hurts China. China flipped its wig when the U.K. made half of Hong Kong eligible to move to the UK for long term work visas (and with Brexit it would last much longer than the time period).
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I love that this Lincoln Project ad is targeted to an audience of one, playing on his paranoia and obsession with loyalty.
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If they didn't overdo the whispering that's one of the finest political attack ads I've ever seen. It's a fundraiser aimed at people who want to be cruel to him but will never get the chance. I dig it.
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dhex wrote:
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If they didn't overdo the whispering that's one of the finest political attack ads I've ever seen. It's a fundraiser aimed at people who want to be cruel to him but will never get the chance. I dig it.
Yes, it's much better than their fundraiser targeted at Louise Mensch.I also love that some of it is settling beefs with people they hate like Parscale.

And while it is clear that all the good graphics designers are Democrats, all the good attack ad producers are/were Republicans. An underrated potential outcome of the Trump era is a realignment in the balance of attack ad production.

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