Whither the GOP? (post-Trump edition)

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Hugh Akston wrote: 27 Jul 2020, 14:20
Mo wrote: 27 Jul 2020, 14:19
Warren wrote: 27 Jul 2020, 13:30 I don't know I see both sides moving away from the center. White terror will continue to be a short term winner as long as the opposition is BLM.
The case for the Ds moving away from the center seems odd with Joe Biden as president and the current VP front runners being Kamala, Duckworth and Susan Rice instead of Elizabeth Warren. Even the Karen Bass boomlet is hardly a sign of a party going far left. And if the center right people that come for Trump stay in, the party’s center of gravity moves right, not left.
Yeah, it's certainly possible that Team Red will spin out of orbit and fly off into the dark unending night of extreme kulturkampf, but Team Blue had a number of normie-radical options this year and resoundingly told them to get their words straight, Jack.
And lapsing into radicalism is only possible with cohesion, which they aren't going to be able to manage once they can't win enough to make it worthwhile. If the Dems take Congress and the Presidency, expect an anti-gerrymandering law that'll force that process incredibly quickly. Like, "total realignment by the 2026 midterms" quick.
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Shem wrote: 27 Jul 2020, 15:14
Hugh Akston wrote: 27 Jul 2020, 14:20
Mo wrote: 27 Jul 2020, 14:19
Warren wrote: 27 Jul 2020, 13:30 I don't know I see both sides moving away from the center. White terror will continue to be a short term winner as long as the opposition is BLM.
The case for the Ds moving away from the center seems odd with Joe Biden as president and the current VP front runners being Kamala, Duckworth and Susan Rice instead of Elizabeth Warren. Even the Karen Bass boomlet is hardly a sign of a party going far left. And if the center right people that come for Trump stay in, the party’s center of gravity moves right, not left.
Yeah, it's certainly possible that Team Red will spin out of orbit and fly off into the dark unending night of extreme kulturkampf, but Team Blue had a number of normie-radical options this year and resoundingly told them to get their words straight, Jack.
And lapsing into radicalism is only possible with cohesion, which they aren't going to be able to manage once they can't win enough to make it worthwhile. If the Dems take Congress and the Presidency, expect an anti-gerrymandering law that'll force that process incredibly quickly. Like, "total realignment by the 2026 midterms" quick.
I thought the states had control of district boundaries.
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Aresen wrote: 27 Jul 2020, 16:05
Shem wrote: 27 Jul 2020, 15:14
Hugh Akston wrote: 27 Jul 2020, 14:20
Mo wrote: 27 Jul 2020, 14:19
Warren wrote: 27 Jul 2020, 13:30 I don't know I see both sides moving away from the center. White terror will continue to be a short term winner as long as the opposition is BLM.
The case for the Ds moving away from the center seems odd with Joe Biden as president and the current VP front runners being Kamala, Duckworth and Susan Rice instead of Elizabeth Warren. Even the Karen Bass boomlet is hardly a sign of a party going far left. And if the center right people that come for Trump stay in, the party’s center of gravity moves right, not left.
Yeah, it's certainly possible that Team Red will spin out of orbit and fly off into the dark unending night of extreme kulturkampf, but Team Blue had a number of normie-radical options this year and resoundingly told them to get their words straight, Jack.
And lapsing into radicalism is only possible with cohesion, which they aren't going to be able to manage once they can't win enough to make it worthwhile. If the Dems take Congress and the Presidency, expect an anti-gerrymandering law that'll force that process incredibly quickly. Like, "total realignment by the 2026 midterms" quick.
I thought the states had control of district boundaries.
John Roberts says redistricting isn't generally justiciable, meaning there's nothing to stop the Congress from passing a law requiring non-partisan redistricting commissions. Which would wipe out a big chunk of the Freedom Caucus.
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Why would the Ds pass gerrymandering reform. If Biden pulls out double digit win in a Census year, then the shoe is on the other foot. Sure in NY and CA they can play bi-partisan, but not sure purple state Ds will be as magnanimous.
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As matters stand, the Court's position (which I think is correct) is that districting is not justiciable. For that matter, the very concept of congressional districts is nowhere in the Constitution. What most certainly would be justiciable, however, is whether Congress has the power to direct how districting is to occur. Indeed, though there is some largely unchallenged statutory authority to the contrary, I think a good argument could be made that a state could decide that all of its congressional seats should be elected at-large. That said, Baker v. Carr and Reynolds v. Sims suggest that the Court, itself, might well strike down such a scheme, but it still doesn't follow that Congress has legislative control.
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Mo wrote: 27 Jul 2020, 17:33 Why would the Ds pass gerrymandering reform. If Biden pulls out double digit win in a Census year, then the shoe is on the other foot. Sure in NY and CA they can play bi-partisan, but not sure purple state Ds will be as magnanimous.
Two reasons. First, Obama is pushing it, and regardless of what anyone thinks of him, he still has enormous cache in the party. Second, and most important, the 2010 gerrymandering was so successful, there are a lot of states where the Democrats are looking at decades before they return to power on a state level. Like Wisconsin, where they got 55% of the votes for the House in 2018, and wound up with 36% of the seats. The only way to break that is with reform.
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I thought Roberts said Congress could pass an anti-gerrymandering law.
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Shem wrote: 27 Jul 2020, 15:05
dhex wrote: 27 Jul 2020, 15:00 I just Googled Tom cotton and literally Keanu'd.
You have to clarify which kind you did.
He went psycho and killed everyone associated with the guys who killed his dog. And also made a point not to touch female fans during photo ops out of an abundance of not-Franken.
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lunchstealer wrote: 27 Jul 2020, 19:59
Shem wrote: 27 Jul 2020, 15:05
dhex wrote: 27 Jul 2020, 15:00 I just Googled Tom cotton and literally Keanu'd.
You have to clarify which kind you did.
He went psycho and killed everyone associated with the guys who killed his dog. And also made a point not to touch female fans during photo ops out of an abundance of not-Franken.
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The biggest thing that could shape Congressional districting is if the anti-Trump wave this fall extends down ballot to the state legislatures.
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Warren wrote: 27 Jul 2020, 20:54
lunchstealer wrote: 27 Jul 2020, 19:59
Shem wrote: 27 Jul 2020, 15:05
dhex wrote: 27 Jul 2020, 15:00 I just Googled Tom cotton and literally Keanu'd.
You have to clarify which kind you did.
He went psycho and killed everyone associated with the guys who killed his dog. And also made a point not to touch female fans during photo ops out of an abundance of not-Franken.
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Warren got the joke.

But I did also literally go "whoa..." because holy hell Tom cotton you suck
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dhex wrote: 28 Jul 2020, 06:25
Warren wrote: 27 Jul 2020, 20:54
lunchstealer wrote: 27 Jul 2020, 19:59
Shem wrote: 27 Jul 2020, 15:05
dhex wrote: 27 Jul 2020, 15:00 I just Googled Tom cotton and literally Keanu'd.
You have to clarify which kind you did.
He went psycho and killed everyone associated with the guys who killed his dog. And also made a point not to touch female fans during photo ops out of an abundance of not-Franken.
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Warren got the joke.

But I did also literally go "whoa..." because holy hell Tom cotton you suck
No, there's whoa Keanu, there's sad Keanu, there's a Keanu for all seasons. That's why you have to clarify.
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There is? Huh. Did not know that.
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To cop a line from Dorothy Parker, Keanu runs the whole gamut of emotions—from A to B.
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D.A. Ridgely wrote: 28 Jul 2020, 13:47 To cop a line from Dorothy Parker, Keanu runs the whole gamut of emotions—from A to B.
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Pretty solid new video from the Lincoln Project featuring Stephen Root
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Remember Obamagate? Did they ever say what that was?
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Ellie wrote: 31 Jul 2020, 14:36 Remember Obamagate? Did they ever say what that was?
You know what the crime is. The crime is very obvious to everybody. All you have to do is read the newspapers, except yours.
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Ellie wrote: 31 Jul 2020, 14:36 Remember Obamagate? Did they ever say what that was?
If you check a photo of Obama, I'd imagine it'll become clear to you.
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Investigating Russia as a politically motivated hit job against the Trump campaign, esp the shitty FISA application for the tap on Page that left out his cooperation/informant status and also QAnon.
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Damn. But the math checks out.
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There's also this:


The Texas Republican Party has adopted a QAnon slogan. Not a single loony candidate. The entire state party.
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Now, AZ Sen. McSally, desperate to catch up in fundraising against a first-time-candidate-for-any-office-at-all astronaut Mark Kelly, is asking for GOP families to 'fast for a meal' and donate the savings in groceries to her campaign.

Absolutely bugfuck insane.

I have apparently never been nearly cynical enough about literally anything ever.

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