Calling 2020 for Entropy

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Really, I'm just surprised he lived this long.

Watch him have a coronary in February.
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Eric the .5b wrote: 16 Nov 2020, 13:35 Really, I'm just surprised he lived this long.

Watch him have a coronary in February.
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JD wrote: 16 Nov 2020, 12:38 It's kind of interesting to go back and look at the first few pages of this thread. The one of the main things that people got wrong is that people thought Trump was going to be more warlike. In retrospect, he hasn't been particularly militaristic, although I think this is mostly because to prosecute a war you have to have an attention span longer than thirty seconds.
Trump said from the beginning that he wanted to get the US out of pointless foreign conflicts, and he...didn't do that (He really is presidential!). He also changed the disclosure requirements for America's never ending flying killer robot campaign, so it's not clear whether they're doing more or less, or how many civilians/hospitals/elementary schools are being destroyed as a result.
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Hugh Akston wrote: 16 Nov 2020, 13:45
JD wrote: 16 Nov 2020, 12:38 It's kind of interesting to go back and look at the first few pages of this thread. The one of the main things that people got wrong is that people thought Trump was going to be more warlike. In retrospect, he hasn't been particularly militaristic, although I think this is mostly because to prosecute a war you have to have an attention span longer than thirty seconds.
Trump said from the beginning that he wanted to get the US out of pointless foreign conflicts, and he...didn't do that (He really is presidential!). He also changed the disclosure requirements for America's never ending flying killer robot campaign, so it's not clear whether they're doing more or less, or how many civilians/hospitals/elementary schools rival golf courses and hotels are being destroyed as a result.
More likely.
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The evidence for Biden's senility is thin. Yes, he's old, no, there's no way Diamond Joe is as sharp as he was back in summer of '87, but he seems fine in Q&A.
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Biden's not senile, he's just kind of a jackass, and won't ever cop to it.
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Aresen wrote: 16 Nov 2020, 13:41
Eric the .5b wrote: 16 Nov 2020, 13:35 Really, I'm just surprised he lived this long.

Watch him have a coronary in February.
God no. We'd never hear the end of the conspiracy theories. I want him to live until even the MAGAs can tell he is senile.
Not advocating, just noting that after a lot of people kack in February after stressful holidays, and he's going to have a stressful everything until the end of January. If he's dying anytime before he gets pulled into court, it'll be then.
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Aresen wrote: 16 Nov 2020, 12:54
JD wrote: 16 Nov 2020, 12:38 It's kind of interesting to go back and look at the first few pages of this thread. The one of the main things that people got wrong is that people thought Trump was going to be more warlike. In retrospect, he hasn't been particularly militaristic, although I think this is mostly because to prosecute a war you have to have an attention span longer than thirty seconds.
I did think Trump was likely to start a war. I'm glad I was wrong. Also, I remember a report about Trump calling off a strike on Iran because "too many Iranians would die". I was hella surprised at the time, but if the report is true, I have to give him credit.
This is where you realize that it's not too late for that.

Insofar as Trump lessened our foreign wars, it was because he was too much of a fuckwit to be effective, not because he's against foreign wars.
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He does have a rudimentary but correct political instinct that US service members dying overseas and it making the news every week is not at all popular.
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Shem wrote: 17 Nov 2020, 00:40
Aresen wrote: 16 Nov 2020, 12:54
JD wrote: 16 Nov 2020, 12:38 It's kind of interesting to go back and look at the first few pages of this thread. The one of the main things that people got wrong is that people thought Trump was going to be more warlike. In retrospect, he hasn't been particularly militaristic, although I think this is mostly because to prosecute a war you have to have an attention span longer than thirty seconds.
I did think Trump was likely to start a war. I'm glad I was wrong. Also, I remember a report about Trump calling off a strike on Iran because "too many Iranians would die". I was hella surprised at the time, but if the report is true, I have to give him credit.
This is where you realize that it's not too late for that.

Insofar as Trump lessened our foreign wars, it was because he was too much of a fuckwit to be effective, not because he's against foreign wars.
After reading your link, I wonder who on Fox News or Newsmax mentioned the Iranian nuclear stockpile.
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Kolohe wrote: 17 Nov 2020, 10:22 He does have a rudimentary but correct political instinct that US service members dying overseas and it making the news every week is not at all popular.
Alas, the "Deep State" has the empirical evidence that as long as those numbers are small and the service members are volunteers, the rest of the nation really doesn't care all that much.
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It's important that the dead service members never had boots on the ground. Special forces, contractors, unnamed government agencies, various alphabet soup, those can lose their lives. But if fresh-faced Pfc Jimmy Smith, a regular boot-wearing infantryman from Anytown USA, should die, that will go over badly.

Seriously, I sort of get that it's easier to accept the deaths of people who volunteer for selective and secretive forces supposedly doing the most daring deeds. Their families watched them go through selective training and repeatedly volunteer for shadowy things that they can't say much about, and they've probably been in for a while. They might have been old enough to have gone through some life milestones that their families got to experience with them. It's an early end to a life that he at least got to really live. Pfc Jimmy, OTOH, is a regular 19 year-old who barely got out of training and was probably allowed to tell his parents the identity of his unit and the names of his comrades, and he dies before he can get married or have some other milestones. I get that that's a different kind of loss. Losing a man who got to see the world must be different from losing a kid who just stepped into it, at least for those who are a couple steps removed.
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thoreau wrote: 17 Nov 2020, 13:51 It's important that the dead service members never had boots on the ground. Special forces, contractors, unnamed government agencies, various alphabet soup, those can lose their lives. But if fresh-faced Pfc Jimmy Smith, a regular boot-wearing infantryman from Anytown USA, should die, that will go over badly.
It's not utterly necessary, though. American deaths in Iraq became somewhat less newsworthy after a change in presidents. And after almost 20 years in Afghanistan under different operations, nobody cares anymore about that.

The public habituates to these things. It's new stuff that causes reactions.
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The death of fresh-faced PFC Jimmy Smith, a regular boot-wearing infantryman from Anytown USA, goes over badly for one or two, maybe three news cycles. For that matter, the sheer size of our total troop strength results in a handful of Jimmys dying every year before they even finish training. Those deaths don't even make the news.
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D.A. Ridgely wrote: 17 Nov 2020, 14:04 The death of fresh-faced PFC Jimmy Smith, a regular boot-wearing infantryman from Anytown USA, goes over badly for one or two, maybe three news cycles. For that matter, the sheer size of our total troop strength results in a handful of Jimmys dying every year before they even finish training. Those deaths don't even make the news.
Unless there are a couple of dozen on one helicopter that goes down.
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The deleterious effect on public opinion comes from having those casualties in news every few days for months on end.
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I don't understand enough about law to appreciate everything in Popehat's live-tweeting of The Rudy Giuliani Show, but it seemed pretty spectacular

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Ellie wrote: 17 Nov 2020, 18:38 I don't understand enough about law to appreciate everything in Popehat's live-tweeting of The Rudy Giuliani Show, but it seemed pretty spectacular

Yes, it's hilarious. Trump should sue Giuliani for malpractice.
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D.A. Ridgely wrote: 17 Nov 2020, 18:54 Trump should sue Giuliani for malpractice.
But Trump doesn't file meritorious lawsuits.
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Based on that thread, the lefty Twitter mob is losing its shit over Biden saying he's not going to aggressively pursue Trump post-election. The idea that there might be any bigger issue totally escapes them and they're melting down like toddlers.

TWITTER: I wanna see Trump prosecuted!
BIDEN: No, honey, we have to go do continuity of government.
TWITTER, starting to whine: But I wanna see Trump prosecuted! He deserves it! *stamps foot*
Biden: I know, sweetie, but the adults have to do bigger picture stuff.
TWITTER, screaming, in tears: I WANNA SEE TRUMP PROSECUTED IT'S NOT FAAAAIR!!!
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It's not a childish request. I go back and forth on how dangerous it is, but I know that letting Trump get away with everything he's done is also dangerous. We're stuck between two pretty big dangers, and I can't fault people for picking one of them over the other.

For my part, a good compromise would be state but not federal investigations, and punishment is losing that which he loves most: His real estate.
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It's not childish to want to see Trump prosecuted when and where you have specific charges, but that doesn't seem like the mood of the howling mob, and it is childish to basically scream "I HATE YOU I HATE YOU I HATE YOU" because Daddy Biden won't give you what you want.
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Trump on trial for crimes committed while in office might (1) lead to an acquittal, (2) lead to a conviction resulting in loons with lots of guns taking to the streets. Make him a big enough martyr and you actually might get him back in 2024.
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I think his real estate and taxes are dirty enough that NY can strip him of what he values while the feds decline to make him a martyr. That would work for me.
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