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Re: Orange is the new President

Posted: 09 Oct 2020, 11:24
by Pham Nuwen
Shem wrote: 08 Oct 2020, 19:16
thoreau wrote: 08 Oct 2020, 17:18 COVID does a number on numerous tissues in the body, and a certain fraction of people wind up getting inflammation in their eyes from it. The current state of knowledge is that it's a luck of the draw thing, but no doubt we'll eventually learn of factors that predispose some people to get inflammation in different tissues than others.
There are actually some doctors theorizing that Covid-19 is a vascular disease rather than a respiratory one, partially because of that variance.
That's how we treat it at my hospital. It's why I got orignially loaned to the heart team back in June. Lot of suspect strokes and heart attacks. A lot. And lot of viral load in the heart itself. Ace receptors all along the arterial system.

Re: Orange is the new President

Posted: 09 Oct 2020, 20:36
by Ellie
Obviously I too hope Pence has Covid but isn't the simplest explanation that someone farted on his pillow?

Re: Orange is the new President

Posted: 09 Oct 2020, 21:44
by dhex
Errant cumshot.

Very unlikely to be true.

But let us all believe together.

And make it true.

In our hearts.

Fuck the cabronivirus.

Re: Orange is the new President

Posted: 09 Oct 2020, 22:05
by Eric the .5b
dhex wrote: 09 Oct 2020, 21:44 Errant cumshot.

Very unlikely to be true.

But let us all believe together.

And make it true.

In our hearts.

Fuck the cabronivirus.
Burma Shave.

Re: Orange is the new President

Posted: 10 Oct 2020, 12:07
by Warren
Eric the .5b wrote: 09 Oct 2020, 22:05
dhex wrote: 09 Oct 2020, 21:44 Errant cumshot.

Very unlikely to be true.

But let us all believe together.

And make it true.

In our hearts.

Fuck the cabronivirus.
Burma Shave.
I lol'd

Re: Orange is the new President

Posted: 10 Oct 2020, 12:15
by thoreau
He's apparently going to do a balcony speech today, because he wants a Mussolini LARP.

Here's hoping that everyone in the crowd comes down with covid-19 and qualifies to vote in Chicago.

Re: Orange is the new President

Posted: 11 Oct 2020, 11:03
by thoreau
Nothing we don't already know on some level, but this article lays out how anyone who wants influence with Trump spends money at his businesses.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/202 ... swamp.html

Re: Orange is the new President

Posted: 11 Oct 2020, 11:10
by Aresen
thoreau wrote: 11 Oct 2020, 11:03 Nothing we don't already know on some level, but this article lays out how anyone who wants influence with Trump spends money at his businesses.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/202 ... swamp.html
Trumper response:
1) Librul lies.
2) That's how things get done.
3) Just shows how smart he is.
4) OBAMA!

Re: Orange is the new President

Posted: 15 Oct 2020, 19:43
by dead_elvis
More completely normal presidential spin.

Trump endorses U.S. Marshals' summary execution of suspect
We sent in the US Marshals, took 15 minutes and it was over… They knew who he was, they didn't want to arrest him and 15 minutes that ended
To restore law and order you have to destroy it, natch.
This guy was a violent criminal, and the U.S. Marshals killed him. And I will tell you something, that’s the way it has to be. There has to be retribution when you have crime like this,” Trump said.
Trump’s comments seemed to line-up with Attorney General William Barr’s official statement following the killing of Reinoehl, calling the officers’ actions “a significant accomplishment in the ongoing effort to restore law and order.”

Re: Orange is the new President

Posted: 15 Oct 2020, 19:52
by Jennifer
dead_elvis wrote: 15 Oct 2020, 19:43 More completely normal presidential spin.
Fear not; I've been reassured by many very wise people that what Trump says is not important; only what he does. And he didn't actually do anything here; he only said stuff.

Re: Orange is the new President

Posted: 15 Oct 2020, 20:19
by Aresen
dead_elvis wrote: 15 Oct 2020, 19:43 More completely normal presidential spin.

Trump endorses U.S. Marshals' summary execution of suspect
We sent in the US Marshals, took 15 minutes and it was over… They knew who he was, they didn't want to arrest him and 15 minutes that ended
Jesus H. Murphy Fucking Christ. Every time I think Trump can't get worse, he proves me wrong.

Re: Orange is the new President

Posted: 19 Oct 2020, 10:17
by JD
So Trump said that if Biden were elected, he would listen to scientists, like that was a bad thing.

He's rightly coming in for a lot of mockery, but I can't help but think this is informed by a lot of leftists' belief, not in science, but in scientism, where any argument is settled by using the (pardon the phrase) trump card of "SCIENCE!" They use science, as the saying goes, like a drunkard uses a lamp-post: for support, not illumination.

Re: Orange is the new President

Posted: 19 Oct 2020, 10:51
by thoreau
You have a valid point, but do you really think Trump understands the difference between science and scientism?

Re: Orange is the new President

Posted: 19 Oct 2020, 10:56
by JD
thoreau wrote: 19 Oct 2020, 10:51 You have a valid point, but do you really think Trump understands the difference between science and scientism?
I don't think the guy understands much of anything, believe me!

Re: Orange is the new President

Posted: 19 Oct 2020, 12:58
by D.A. Ridgely
Between science and sciencism lies sciencyness, which is actually what most of us believe in.

Re: Orange is the new President

Posted: 20 Oct 2020, 18:59
by Aresen
I am totally baffled why anyone would think "Biden will listen to the scientists" is an insult.

Re: Orange is the new President

Posted: 20 Oct 2020, 19:18
by thoreau
Aresen wrote: 20 Oct 2020, 18:59 I am totally baffled why anyone would think "Biden will listen to the scientists" is an insult.
At this point, Team Red is the villain clique from an 80's teen movie. Biden would listen to the nerds. NERDS!!!!

EDIT: Yes, there are some is/ought issues here, not to mention tradeoffs, economics, etc. But the Reds aren't approaching this at that level of sophistication. They're approaching it at the level of "Biden will listen to the people who think the world is billions of years old."

Re: Orange is the new President

Posted: 20 Oct 2020, 19:46
by Jadagul
Yeah, "follow the science" is actually kind of a dumb slogan; science strictly speaking doesn't produce action recommendations.

But "listen to scientists" is an obviously smart thing to do in a pandemic. And somehow the Trump campaign has lost sight of that.

(See also complaining about how Biden would listen to Fauci specifically, since he's more trusted than either of them.)

Re: Orange is the new President

Posted: 22 Oct 2020, 11:58
by thoreau
Trump's twitter password was, until very recently, maga2020.

https://www.volkskrant.nl/nieuws-achter ... %2Ft.co%2F

Re: Orange is the new President

Posted: 22 Oct 2020, 15:01
by Hugh Akston
How in Galt's name does Trump think that he is going to be helped by releasing video of him walking out of an interview like a petulant toddler ?


Re: Orange is the new President

Posted: 22 Oct 2020, 15:26
by Number 6
Hugh Akston wrote: 22 Oct 2020, 15:01 How in Galt's name does Trump think that he is going to be helped by releasing video of him walking out of an interview like a petulant toddler ?

Because he’s pwning the libs and the media at the same time, and punishing them for having the temerity to challenge the Greatest President Ever. His people will love it.

Re: Orange is the new President

Posted: 22 Oct 2020, 15:30
by D.A. Ridgely
Hugh Akston wrote: 22 Oct 2020, 15:01 How in Galt's name does Trump think that he is going to be helped by releasing video of him walking out of an interview like a petulant toddler ?
The petulant toddler vote is essential for Trump's reelection.

Re: Orange is the new President

Posted: 22 Oct 2020, 15:32
by thoreau
Number 6 wrote: 22 Oct 2020, 15:26Because he’s pwning the libs and the media at the same time, and punishing them for having the temerity to challenge the Greatest President Ever. His people will love it.
Damn straight. You can't trust the media; they just want to undermine American Freedom. If you want a free country then you'd better get in line behind the Leader.

Re: Orange is the new President

Posted: 22 Oct 2020, 16:12
by Highway
thoreau wrote: 22 Oct 2020, 15:32
Number 6 wrote: 22 Oct 2020, 15:26Because he’s pwning the libs and the media at the same time, and punishing them for having the temerity to challenge the Greatest President Ever. His people will love it.
Damn straight. You can't trust the media; they just want to undermine American Freedom. If you want a free country then you'd better get in line behind the Leader.
Taktix posted a video on FB about that, with a bunch of apparently Q-believing people saying "You can't trust the media" and on and on. And I was just thinking "and who are you trusting to give you information? Are you investigating their reasoning as well?" I mean, we know the answer is 'no', it's just "I'm not important enough, so I'm going to join in with this 'secret' truth that makes me feel like I'm one of the important people."

Re: Orange is the new President

Posted: 22 Oct 2020, 20:25
by Ellie
I am sympathetic to the idea, at this point, that if you don't support Trump, and especially if you are in a group that feels like it will be harmed by him (e.g. someone with a pre-existing condition who is afraid of Obamacare getting done away with), that you would look at a loved one who supports Trump and say, "this isn't just a 'both sides have their merits' issue anymore, if you continue to support him there's something genuinely malicious about you, that makes me not want to have a relationship with you."

I get the impulse to feel that way. But it seems like a lot of people I know are suddenly acting on it in ways that I don't think are going to end well. I know three different people who have told parents or in laws that they won't get to see their grandkids anymore if the grandparents vote for trump. I know one woman, who admittedly has already been talking divorce with her husband, who explicitly told him if he didn't vote Biden she would leave him. And I have trans friend who wrote to his parents and said "if you support Trump you don't support me."

Is any of this really going to do any good? (In the case of my poor trans friend, his parents wrote back and said essentially, "we can clear that up, we don't support you.") If anything it's just going to feed into the "liberal cancel culture, persecuted conservatives" narrative that so many Trumpers have. I understand deciding to end a relationship because you're so bothered by someone's support of Trump, but only as a personal choice. Not trying to threaten THEM into changing THEIR behavior over it.