If We Build It, They'll Probably Still Come

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Taktix® wrote: 10 Nov 2019, 21:45 EEK!



Just in case the tweet gets memory hole'd: https://gothamist.com/news/armored-ice- ... earms-bust
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Posted on Facebook by a local charity that helps immigrants facing deportation:
The United States government and its collaborators gleefully stuffing their pockets with the pain and suffering of our immigrant sisters and brothers. Proposed fee increasea and outrageous proposed changes:

❗️Transfers $207.6M from USCIS to ICE

❗️Increases the citizenship application fee (N-400) from $640 to $1170

❗️Eliminates fee waivers for some applications, including the N-400 and citizenship related forms

❗️Charging $50 to apply for asylum - making the U.S. just the fourth country in the world to charge those seeking asylum

❗️DACA application fee increases from $495 to $765

#AbolishICEandCollaborators
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I mean, if ICE is going to arrest the dudes looking for work outside the Home Depot, the least they can do is get on the truck and earn some bucks.
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CBP won't be vaccinating detainees against the flu
In a statement to ABC News, the CBP noted that individuals in CBP custody should not be held for more than 72 hours. Earlier this year, when CBP camps were overcrowded, the migrants' stays were often longer than the three days allowed.

CBP referred to logistical difficulties in implementing a vaccine program on top of its existing medical efforts, which includes more than 250 nurse practitioners and physician assistants along the Southwestern U.S. border.

“To try and layer a comprehensive vaccinations system on to that would be logistically very challenging for a number of reasons. There's a system and process for implementing vaccines – for supply chains, for quality control, for documentation, for informed consent, for adverse reactions," the CBP said in a statement.
There is also no requirement that CBP staff receive the influenza vaccine. If officers do not get the flu vaccine it can end up being dangerous for the officers and their families and communities when they go home from work.
“To us in the medical community the situation is alarming. When the CBP stated in August that they weren’t planning on vaccinating we saw this as egregious to deny basic health care access to people forced to stay in their care," said Dr. Bonnie Arzuaga, a Boston-based pediatrician and one of the founders of Doctors for Camp Closure.

The organization is a volunteer group of 2,000 U.S. based physicians who support the closing of the Customs and Border camps because of public health concerns. The organization volunteered to provide free influenza vaccines to those detained but the government never responded.
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As has been noted, the cruelty is the point.
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@LisPower1 wrote:This story is WILD

ICE created a fake university, then:

- enticed foreign-born students to attend
- charged them money
- arrested them
- deported them

Students had come legally on student visas, but since the school was fake the visas weren't valid.
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That story is a fucking disgrace.
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Nth repetition of "the cruelty IS the point."
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This is horrifying and jaw-dropping:
A New Yorker who gained US citizenship as a child is suddenly facing deportation, along with several green card-holding members of his family, after apparent targeting by the Trump administration in what the family believes is a clear case of anti-Muslim bias.

None of the individuals have a criminal record, and say the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) only raised questions about the validity of their immigration status after another relative was arrested following a terrorist incident in the city.
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But everything changed in December 2017, when one of Ahsan’s brothers, Akayed, was arrested for detonating a homemade pipe bomb in a crowded New York City subway station.
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From the moment of Akayed’s arrest, other family members say that despite being cleared by law enforcement, they began to see consequences.

Ahsan recounted receiving a letter from the bank notifying him that his personal and business banking accounts would be closed, and that the FBI put his business license on hold.
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Then, in April 2019, Ahsan received a letter out of the blue from US Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS), part of the DHS, stating that the agency planned to cancel his US citizenship on the grounds it was not lawfully obtained.

In a panic, his mother and siblings applied for citizenship but soon received news that not only had their application been denied but that the DHS intended to revoke their green cards. On 6 November, Ullah’s mother and one of his sisters were detained for two days.
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Jesus. McKinsey tried to help ICE save money on detention centers and they said some of the shit they offered was too cruel. Also, seems kinda fucked up that the best the brainiacs at McKinsey could come up with was, “cut back on food and medicine”. Like, even one of Trump’s stupid kids could have thought of that.


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This didn't age well.
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thoreau wrote: 08 Dec 2019, 22:00 This didn't age well.
It does say probably.
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Andrew wrote: 08 Dec 2019, 22:13
thoreau wrote: 08 Dec 2019, 22:00 This didn't age well.
It does say probably.
Yeah, Trump was probably gonna lose according to 538, but...
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Seeing as how it is obviously shopped, it hasn't really aged at all.
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On the other hand, when Trump was first elected, a lot of "too cool to care" types did say things like "Gee, from the way people are freaking out, you'd think he was going to open internment camps or something" (with the obvious implication that only an idiot would think Candidate Trump's behavior might be in any way indicative of how President Trump would be).
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That's some pretty serious Matthew 25 right there.
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thoreau wrote: 09 Dec 2019, 13:46 That's some pretty serious Matthew 25 right there.
???
Ohhhhh Heh.

But what are they trying to say here? That Jesus was an anchor baby?
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Jesus was a refugee (after he was born, his family had to flee to Egypt to escape being killed by King Herod).

They're trying to point out that Christians supporting current immigration policies are not only ignoring Jesus's teaching in Matthew 25 (whatever you do to the least of my people, you do to me) but that Jesus LITERALLY was a refugee who LITERALLY would have been caged if he'd crossed into modern-day America.
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Masked Grylliader wrote: 09 Dec 2019, 14:25 Jesus was a refugee (after he was born, his family had to flee to Egypt to escape being killed by King Herod).

They're trying to point out that Christians supporting current immigration policies are not only ignoring Jesus's teaching in Matthew 25 (whatever you do to the least of my people, you do to me) but that Jesus LITERALLY was a refugee who LITERALLY would have been caged if he'd crossed into modern-day America.
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Well that's just wrong on many levels

I thought it was a play on words; The parable of the penned virgin.
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Warren wrote: 09 Dec 2019, 10:39 Seeing as how it is obviously shopped, it hasn't really aged at all.
Dunno but Jeremy McClellan Comedy posted it on FB in 2015, so I mean yeah it has aged. The fear at the moment was that it would be internment camps for Muslims, but I mean not far off.
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Why am I having to use wikipedia to figure out what's in the USMCA? It seems to be exactly the same. some things worse and some things better. Where are the peeps doing a run down on it?
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Masked Grylliader wrote: 09 Dec 2019, 14:25 Christians supporting current immigration policies are not only ignoring Jesus's teaching in Matthew 25 (whatever you do to the least of my people, you do to me)
They are also ignoring Hebrews 13. Well, the first part anyway (they sure lurv themselves some verse 17)
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Another bite of the elephant
The new policy restricts immigrant visas for citizens of Nigeria, Sudan, Tanzania, Eritrea, Myanmar, and Kyrgyzstan. It does not ban them from traveling to the U.S. for other reasons.

By putting restrictions on the six countries, the Trump administration nearly doubles the number of nations targeted by some form of travel ban.

Unlike the controversial travel ban on citizens of Iran, Somalia, and other countries, the new policy does not affect nonimmigrant visas. That means visits for tourism, education, business or medical reasons will still be allowed.

The new immigration rules are aimed at four African countries and one each from Southeast Asia and Central Asia. By including Nigeria, the administration is seeking to limit immigration from a country that has contributed the largest African diaspora group in the U.S.

Homeland Security officials told reporters that the six countries had failed to comply with U.S. security requirements for passports and information sharing.
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Hugh Akston wrote: 31 Jan 2020, 20:22 Another bite of the elephant
The new policy restricts immigrant visas for citizens of Nigeria, Sudan, Tanzania, Eritrea, Myanmar, and Kyrgyzstan. It does not ban them from traveling to the U.S. for other reasons.

By putting restrictions on the six countries, the Trump administration nearly doubles the number of nations targeted by some form of travel ban.

Unlike the controversial travel ban on citizens of Iran, Somalia, and other countries, the new policy does not affect nonimmigrant visas. That means visits for tourism, education, business or medical reasons will still be allowed.

The new immigration rules are aimed at four African countries and one each from Southeast Asia and Central Asia. By including Nigeria, the administration is seeking to limit immigration from a country that has contributed the largest African diaspora group in the U.S.

Homeland Security officials told reporters that the six countries had failed to comply with U.S. security requirements for passports and information sharing.
"Unlike the controversial travel ban on citizens of Iran, Somalia, and other countries, the new policy does not affect nonimmigrant visas."

Because as we all know, the only way for terrorists to attack the US is by getting a green card. That's why it's safe to let them visit, but terribly dangerous to allow them to actually immigrate and become Americans.
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