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dead_elvis wrote: 09 Nov 2020, 14:14 I'm not buying the implication that whether we have a successful vaccine was dependent on who was president, and I'm not buying the "look at the monkey" to distract us from the fact that the administration couldn't handle a crisis. Sorry, a last minute score from your running back doesn't mean you are a great quarterback in the same game in which you went 2 for 30 with 6 interceptions and a safety because he ran the wrong way down the field.
I thought Junior was implying Pfizer withheld the info until after the election was over.

As for Pfizer, I'm hella impressed they were able to produce any test results in 2020. I was expecting March 2021 at the earliest.
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Aresen wrote: 09 Nov 2020, 14:19
dead_elvis wrote: 09 Nov 2020, 14:14 I'm not buying the implication that whether we have a successful vaccine was dependent on who was president, and I'm not buying the "look at the monkey" to distract us from the fact that the administration couldn't handle a crisis. Sorry, a last minute score from your running back doesn't mean you are a great quarterback in the same game in which you went 2 for 30 with 6 interceptions and a safety because he ran the wrong way down the field.
I thought Junior was implying Pfizer withheld the info until after the election was over.

As for Pfizer, I'm hella impressed they were able to produce any test results in 2020. I was expecting March 2021 at the earliest.
I think he's also implying that if we had had that info before the election, that would have meant that they deserved to have that news as a mark in their plus column, which they most definitely did not.
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Aresen wrote: 09 Nov 2020, 14:19 I thought Junior was implying Pfizer withheld the info until after the election was over.
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Aresen wrote: 09 Nov 2020, 14:19 I thought Junior was implying Pfizer withheld the info until after the election was over.
That's how I read it too.
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And ... Ben Carson has the 'Rona.
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If America's one-time star neurosurgeon dies of a virus contracted while working for America's biggest fucking idiot, well, that just encapsulates so many things.
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dead_elvis wrote: 09 Nov 2020, 14:21
Aresen wrote: 09 Nov 2020, 14:19
dead_elvis wrote: 09 Nov 2020, 14:14 I'm not buying the implication that whether we have a successful vaccine was dependent on who was president, and I'm not buying the "look at the monkey" to distract us from the fact that the administration couldn't handle a crisis. Sorry, a last minute score from your running back doesn't mean you are a great quarterback in the same game in which you went 2 for 30 with 6 interceptions and a safety because he ran the wrong way down the field.
I thought Junior was implying Pfizer withheld the info until after the election was over.

As for Pfizer, I'm hella impressed they were able to produce any test results in 2020. I was expecting March 2021 at the earliest.
I think he's also implying that if we had had that info before the election, that would have meant that they deserved to have that news as a mark in their plus column, which they most definitely did not.
Perhaps not. But I have no doubt the election would have went the other way.
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Warren wrote: 09 Nov 2020, 20:32
dead_elvis wrote: 09 Nov 2020, 14:21
Aresen wrote: 09 Nov 2020, 14:19
dead_elvis wrote: 09 Nov 2020, 14:14 I'm not buying the implication that whether we have a successful vaccine was dependent on who was president, and I'm not buying the "look at the monkey" to distract us from the fact that the administration couldn't handle a crisis. Sorry, a last minute score from your running back doesn't mean you are a great quarterback in the same game in which you went 2 for 30 with 6 interceptions and a safety because he ran the wrong way down the field.
I thought Junior was implying Pfizer withheld the info until after the election was over.

As for Pfizer, I'm hella impressed they were able to produce any test results in 2020. I was expecting March 2021 at the earliest.
I think he's also implying that if we had had that info before the election, that would have meant that they deserved to have that news as a mark in their plus column, which they most definitely did not.
Perhaps not. But I have no doubt the election would have went the other way.
People were pretty locked into their positions on loving/hating Trump. I'm not sure it would have made a difference, but it could have.
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Aresen wrote: 09 Nov 2020, 21:19
Warren wrote: 09 Nov 2020, 20:32
dead_elvis wrote: 09 Nov 2020, 14:21
Aresen wrote: 09 Nov 2020, 14:19
dead_elvis wrote: 09 Nov 2020, 14:14 I'm not buying the implication that whether we have a successful vaccine was dependent on who was president, and I'm not buying the "look at the monkey" to distract us from the fact that the administration couldn't handle a crisis. Sorry, a last minute score from your running back doesn't mean you are a great quarterback in the same game in which you went 2 for 30 with 6 interceptions and a safety because he ran the wrong way down the field.
I thought Junior was implying Pfizer withheld the info until after the election was over.

As for Pfizer, I'm hella impressed they were able to produce any test results in 2020. I was expecting March 2021 at the earliest.
I think he's also implying that if we had had that info before the election, that would have meant that they deserved to have that news as a mark in their plus column, which they most definitely did not.
Perhaps not. But I have no doubt the election would have went the other way.
People were pretty locked into their positions on loving/hating Trump. I'm not sure it would have made a difference, but it could have.
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I dont know. I made a Biden joke using a trump phrase and it was not appreciated. I really dont think the vaccine announcement would have made a difference.
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There's a corps of Trump supporters who are invincibly ignorant; indeed, you might say they've subconsciously adopted the Left's claim that truth is a social construct and just chosen to choose Trump's construct, whatever it happens to be from day to day. But passions fade. Honestly, the best think that could happen politically now is for the American electorate to have more stuff to take its mind off politics, so aside from all the other reasons to put COVID behind us as quickly as possible, getting sports back up at full speed will go a long way toward distracting the proletariat until the next election cycle.
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D.A. Ridgely wrote: 10 Nov 2020, 15:57 There's a corps of Trump supporters who are invincibly ignorant; indeed, you might say they've subconsciously adopted the Left's claim that truth is a social construct and just chosen to choose Trump's construct, whatever it happens to be from day to day. But passions fade. Honestly, the best think that could happen politically now is for the American electorate to have more stuff to take its mind off politics, so aside from all the other reasons to put COVID behind us as quickly as possible, getting sports back up at full speed will go a long way toward distracting the proletariat until the next election cycle.
And get the restaurants and bars fully open for indoor dining. Bread and circuses, or at least chicken wings and football.

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IMO, we ought to do what Germany (IIRC) is doing: stores can be open for business, but bars, restaurants and concert halls cannot -- basically, anyplace whose business model is "people come here to buy stuff, then leave" can operate, but "people come here to just hang out, for various reasons [eating, drinking, watching a performance, etc.]" cannot. And I'm pretty sure they're giving people money to get through the lockdown, rather than expecting ordinary people or business owners to eat the costs themselves.
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Ordinary people and business owners will eat the cost by paying the taxes that are being "given" back to them, either by way of lack of services in the future, higher taxes, or money printer go brrrrr.
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Dangerman wrote: 13 Nov 2020, 12:58 Ordinary people and business owners will eat the cost by paying the taxes that are being "given" back to them, either by way of lack of services in the future, higher taxes, or money printer go brrrrr.
In a sense yes but in another sense way less so than usual right now.

If we like pierce the veil of "money" and look at real productive capacity, at any given time there's a limit to productive capacity. And so if you spend extra productive capacity over _here_ then even if you pay for that out of new-printed money you still have to spend less productive capacity _somewhere else_. Which means that people have to cut either present consumption or future consumption.

In this particular case—if we shut down the bars and pay them to stay closed—there's an obvious place for that consumption reduction to happen: people aren't consuming going-to-bars! Since in this case, reducing certain types of consumption is one of the goals of the policy, that's not really a problem.
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Jadagul wrote: 13 Nov 2020, 13:17 In this particular case—if we shut down the bars and pay them to stay closed—there's an obvious place for that consumption reduction to happen: people aren't consuming going-to-bars!
Unlike that policy in the UK they tried where they gave people subsidies to use at restaurants to keep them in business... and spread Covid.
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Pham Nuwen wrote: 13 Nov 2020, 15:23 I am not amused.

https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/p ... 8BInMCjJLQ
God the desperation. I just can't even.

A lot of people are having a hard time facing reality. I'm becoming more sympathetic to the hyperbole about Trumpers and other covid-deniers needing cult deprogramming.
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Pham Nuwen wrote: 13 Nov 2020, 15:23 I am not amused.

https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/p ... 8BInMCjJLQ
I'd inject them with the virus, then send them out the door with the words "See you in two weeks."
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Pham Nuwen wrote: 13 Nov 2020, 15:23 I am not amused.

https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/p ... 8BInMCjJLQ
HA! You see. The hospital is obviously inflating their ICU occupancy, otherwise why are they trying so hard to hide it.
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Pham Nuwen wrote: 13 Nov 2020, 15:23 I am not amused.

https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/p ... 8BInMCjJLQ
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Lawsuit: Tyson managers bet money on how many workers would contract COVID-19


I just can't understand why people are turning to populist ideologues when we have paragons of good corporate behavior like this around.
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Shem wrote: 22 Nov 2020, 18:27 Lawsuit: Tyson managers bet money on how many workers would contract COVID-19


I just can't understand why people are turning to populist ideologues when we have paragons of good corporate behavior like this around.
This is how you get guillotines.
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thoreau wrote: 22 Nov 2020, 18:29
Shem wrote: 22 Nov 2020, 18:27 Lawsuit: Tyson managers bet money on how many workers would contract COVID-19


I just can't understand why people are turning to populist ideologues when we have paragons of good corporate behavior like this around.
This is how you get guillotines.
Being a bit more serious, in the book They Thought They Were Free, one of the former Nazis the author interviewed actually raises the issue of corruption in Weimar Germany. The Weimar era had a lot of the sort of corruption that we've seen over the past few decades, ranging from stuff at the level of Enron down to petty acts of venality. It created a rolling sense of outrage among the people who couldn't take part in the system because they lacked resources or social power to do so. The interlocutor noted this, and pointed out that this acceptance of the central corruption within the system was almost universal in the parties, except among the Nazis and the Communists. They didn't tolerate it. Whether this was due to ideology or because they didn't have the resources to take part, it ultimately didn't matter; if you cared about that sort of thing, they were pretty much the only groups who could be counted on to actually enforce a standard.

I think about that sometimes, often while I consider a system that treats 'stealing from a cash register' as a criminal offense, while 'altering a timesheet to reduce hours paid' remains a civil matter, and I get worried all over again that the whole system is just occupied at making tinder and hoping nobody comes along with a match.
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All of what you say is true, but what baffles me is that while both parties have large factions who would defend the manager who alters the time sheet (hell, libertarians could probably offer umpteen million reasons why making it a criminal matter would shred the rule of law), the party that more vocally supports the financial interests of the best-off also attracts the louder critics of corruption and is better at populism. Is it that their lies are so transparent that it feels like a strange form of honesty, whereas the people who hide it better seem more dishonest?

If there's one thing 21st century politics has taught me, it's that when you put aside the pretenses and say "We're doing this shit because we can and whaddayagonnadoaboutit?" you get more of the bad thing, not less.

Anyway, _They Thought They Were Free_ has been on my reading list for a while. I need to move it up.
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