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Like the rule goes, communication usually fails, except by accident. People misinterpret straightforward lyrics, some song lyrics aren't straightforward, and interpretation is an art.
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The obvious: Every Breath You Take is NOT A TOUCHING LOVE SONG!!!

It's a stalker song. Dolts.
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Highway wrote:The obvious: Every Breath You Take is NOT A TOUCHING LOVE SONG!!!

It's a stalker song. Dolts.
REM's The One I Love. That song is brutal. It is not touching at all, it's sociopathic.
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Example: I managed to have a twenty-minute debate with two friends over the Outfield's "Your Love" and whether the protagonist and the addressed woman actually have sex. One friend argued that it struck her as being a continuing illicit relationship, with the woman knowing her feelings are being exploited, but unable/unwilling to refuse. I argued that it struck me as him trying and failing to seduce her, knowing her feelings (or projecting his own), and him trying to mollify her discomfort and anger at the end.

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tr0g wrote:
Highway wrote:The obvious: Every Breath You Take is NOT A TOUCHING LOVE SONG!!!

It's a stalker song. Dolts.
REM's The One I Love. That song is brutal. It is not touching at all, it's sociopathic.
Hell yeah. Mind, Sting sings much more clearly than Michael Stipe did. :D

Mind, my mother didn't realize "Roxanne" was about a prostitute until she heard it sung by a narcoleptic Spaniard; a lot of people just enjoy the music and don't absorb the lyrics.

"Shiny Happy People", though? Supposedly about North Korea. Lolwut, as the kids say.
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I've felt that Your Love is from the time before they do it to the time after they do it.
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Highway wrote:I've felt that Your Love is from the time before they do it to the time after they do it.
Right, that was my friend's stance. I interpret the bridge and ending as he makes a pass, she uncomfortably declines, she leaves while he reminds/badgers her not to tell anyone. "Just because you're right doesn't mean I'm wrong" always struck me as key. There's definitely wiggle room on whether she was originally on board but changed her mind while at his place, depending on which portions of the song you deem dialogue and which you deem interior monologue. "Come around and talk it over" is a rather suspect line on that count, suggesting that he didn't entirely spring this on her unawares.

That I used the word "deem" to talk about this song only reflects back to how silly the analysis was, but we had fun. :D
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Santeria is not some easy-listening chill out song, you stoner clowns. Stop playing it every time someone passes the bowl around.
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tr0g wrote:REM's The One I Love. That song is brutal. It is not touching at all, it's sociopathic.
How does anyone pull much meaning out of that? There are literally maybe 20 distinct words in the lyrics.

This one goes out to the one I love/I've left behind
A simple/another prop to occupy my mind
Fire
She's comin' down on her own now

Anyway, I was thinking of "Lola", but that's maybe too well-known by now.
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JD wrote:
tr0g wrote:REM's The One I Love. That song is brutal. It is not touching at all, it's sociopathic.
How does anyone pull much meaning out of that?
I often have trouble with lyrics (and yet I was a huge fan of REM as a teenager, go figure), and the first few times I heard that song, I didn't have a grasp of what he was singing. Especially when trying to figure out the video. :D I had to actually buy the tape and give it a listen to understand any lyrics beyond "This one goes out to the one I love" and "FIIIIIIIIIIIIIIRRRRRRREEEE!".

On the other hand, it sure doesn't sound like a happy or longing song. I vaguely guessed it was about someone's death. (Of course not, that was "Camera". :D )
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I got into this before, but it was years ago, and I think on Hit & Run.
The persona being sung in Sympathy for the Devil is God not the Devil. An examination of the lyrics makes this clear, pronouncements by members of The Rolling Stones notwithstanding.
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Warren wrote:I got into this before, but it was years ago, and I think on Hit & Run.
The persona being sung in Sympathy for the Devil is God not the Devil. An examination of the lyrics makes this clear, pronouncements by members of The Rolling Stones notwithstanding.
I've heard that argued elsewhere, too. It made it into the appropriate sections of TV Tropes. It's a very interesting take.
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Ayn_Randian wrote:Santeria is not some easy-listening chill out song, you stoner clowns. Stop playing it every time someone passes the bowl around.
suggested edit: "Sublime is the Applebee's of Music"
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Warren wrote:I got into this before, but it was years ago, and I think on Hit & Run.
The persona being sung in Sympathy for the Devil is God not the Devil. An examination of the lyrics makes this clear, pronouncements by members of The Rolling Stones notwithstanding.
:?
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Traditionally, song titles are put in quotation marks, while full albums are italicized.

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Ellie wrote:I will be over here by myself in my pedantry.
Not alone, I've been using quotes. :)
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dhex wrote:
Ayn_Randian wrote:Santeria is not some easy-listening chill out song, you stoner clowns. Stop playing it every time someone passes the bowl around.
suggested edit: "Sublime is the Applebee's of Music"
awww man come on why do we have to go to that so quickly
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Eric the .5b wrote:
Ellie wrote:I will be over here by myself in my pedantry.
Not alone, I've been using quotes. :)
I agree. There should be a quote function that just put quote marks around highlighted text.
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Eric the .5b wrote:
Warren wrote:I got into this before, but it was years ago, and I think on Hit & Run.
The persona being sung in Sympathy for the Devil is God not the Devil. An examination of the lyrics makes this clear, pronouncements by members of The Rolling Stones notwithstanding.
I've heard that argued elsewhere, too. It made it into the appropriate sections of TV Tropes. It's a very interesting take.
Can you point me to the "appropriate sections"*? I can't find it.



*Actual quote, not a song title.
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Warren wrote:
Eric the .5b wrote:
Warren wrote:I got into this before, but it was years ago, and I think on Hit & Run.
The persona being sung in Sympathy for the Devil is God not the Devil. An examination of the lyrics makes this clear, pronouncements by members of The Rolling Stones notwithstanding.
I've heard that argued elsewhere, too. It made it into the appropriate sections of TV Tropes. It's a very interesting take.
Can you point me to the "appropriate sections"*? I can't find it.
WIld Mass Guessing, the Music and Music Videos omnibus page. It's the section for throwing out speculations about the "real meaning" of works, with no sensibility constraint.
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JD wrote:
tr0g wrote:REM's The One I Love. That song is brutal. It is not touching at all, it's sociopathic.
How does anyone pull much meaning out of that? There are literally maybe 20 distinct words in the lyrics.

This one goes out to the one I love/I've left behind
A simple/another prop to occupy my mind
Fire
She's comin' down on her own now

Anyway, I was thinking of "Lola", but that's maybe too well-known by now.

This one goes out to the one I love
This one goes out to the one I've left behind
A simple prop to occupy my time
This one goes out to the one I love

...

This one goes out to the one I love
This one goes out to the one I've left behind
Another prop has occupied my time
This one goes out to the one I love
You were a convenient toy to play with, but I have a new thing now. Bye!
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Ayn_Randian wrote:
dhex wrote:
Ayn_Randian wrote:Santeria is not some easy-listening chill out song, you stoner clowns. Stop playing it every time someone passes the bowl around.
suggested edit: "Sublime is the Applebee's of Music"
awww man come on why do we have to go to that so quickly
truth knows no stopwatch.

i had a gf in college who was both incredibly unstable and incredibly into sublime. i hate their music despite getting very many an honest to godform transcendent beej to that one album.
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Back in the bygone bygone when I had to listen to terrestrial radio in the car, one of three stations was basically the Sublime station. Every other song all day every day. They were meh when I first heard them. They are now sub meh and kind of rage inducing. It isn't their fault.
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dhex wrote: i hate their music despite getting very many an honest to godform transcendent beej to that one album.
Someday dhex will write his memoirs and I will up and fucking die of joy. 8-)
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dhex wrote:
Ayn_Randian wrote:
dhex wrote:
Ayn_Randian wrote:Santeria is not some easy-listening chill out song, you stoner clowns. Stop playing it every time someone passes the bowl around.
suggested edit: "Sublime is the Applebee's of Music"
awww man come on why do we have to go to that so quickly
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I always got the feeling that Sublime were more Bennigan's.
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