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Gaggle Knows Everything About Teens And Kids In School
[spoiler: the story is actually about how Gaggle doesn't seem to really know anything]
One of Gaggle’s central selling points is that it saves hundreds of lives each year from suicide. For the 2018–19 school year, it claimed that it prevented 722 students from committing suicide. When asked to explain, Gaggle said that out of the 52,000 references to suicide and self-harm it flagged, 6,000 were serious enough that Gaggle called the school “immediately.”

“Of those, 722 were so specific that we identify them as a ‘life saved,’” Gaggle said.
“One of the things [Gaggle is] teaching is not to share things, which is presumably the opposite of what many mental health professionals would say,” Igo said. If a student is afraid of being interviewed by school administrators, they may shut themselves off from adults.

It’s unclear, based on the emails alone, whether Gaggle was a helpful tool in assisting vulnerable students. In several email chains, teachers and administrators were already aware that the child was struggling and were in touch with the parents of the students in question.
Gaggle told BuzzFeed News that it “recommends” school districts get permission from parents and students before they use the company’s tools to monitor them. It also provides a choice to opt out, but since it works with required school services (email accounts, etc.), it’s unclear how that would work.

“If a student opts out of Gaggle, then they would not be able to use the school-provided technology and would have to use their personal email addresses for their school work — and that personal email would not be scanned by Gaggle,” a Gaggle spokesperson told BuzzFeed News. In other words, once a school district buys Gaggle services, students don’t have a school-friendly alternative.
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California no longer has at-risk students. They're all at-promise.

If you say "at-risk" then you are being doubleplusungood.
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thoreau wrote:
05 Nov 2019, 11:42
California no longer has at-risk students. They're all at-promise.

If you say "at-risk" then you are being doubleplusungood.
Oh, wow.

Can we change "endangered species" to "enfortuned species"?
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Eric the .5b wrote:
05 Nov 2019, 19:45
thoreau wrote:
05 Nov 2019, 11:42
California no longer has at-risk students. They're all at-promise.

If you say "at-risk" then you are being doubleplusungood.
Oh, wow.

Can we change "endangered species" to "enfortuned species"?
I think the correct term is 'under-represented species.'
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https://arcdigital.media/im-a-teacher-a ... d4a6a8392d

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This is a good article on the contradictory mess of political imperatives that people subject public schools to. Their final recommendation (a "Pain In The Ass" metric) is hardly a panacea, but contemplating it illustrates some valid points.

https://areomagazine.com/2019/11/19/wan ... lic-first/

But the main takeaway is that shit is fucked up and we'll never get agreement on how it's fucked, why it's fucked, or what to do about it.
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Aresen wrote:
05 Nov 2019, 19:56
Eric the .5b wrote:
05 Nov 2019, 19:45
thoreau wrote:
05 Nov 2019, 11:42
California no longer has at-risk students. They're all at-promise.

If you say "at-risk" then you are being doubleplusungood.
Oh, wow.

Can we change "endangered species" to "enfortuned species"?
I think the correct term is 'under-represented species.'
potential dinner species.
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Kolohe wrote:
01 Dec 2019, 17:49
Aresen wrote:
05 Nov 2019, 19:56
Eric the .5b wrote:
05 Nov 2019, 19:45
thoreau wrote:
05 Nov 2019, 11:42
California no longer has at-risk students. They're all at-promise.

If you say "at-risk" then you are being doubleplusungood.
Oh, wow.

Can we change "endangered species" to "enfortuned species"?
I think the correct term is 'under-represented species.'
potential dinner species.
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lunchstealer wrote:
01 Dec 2019, 20:57
Kolohe wrote:
01 Dec 2019, 17:49
Aresen wrote:
05 Nov 2019, 19:56
Eric the .5b wrote:
05 Nov 2019, 19:45
thoreau wrote:
05 Nov 2019, 11:42
California no longer has at-risk students. They're all at-promise.

If you say "at-risk" then you are being doubleplusungood.
Oh, wow.

Can we change "endangered species" to "enfortuned species"?
I think the correct term is 'under-represented species.'
potential dinner species.
Do we really need a The Freshman remake?
Only if we can get De Niro to play the Brando character.
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UT substitute goes on 10 minute rant to fifth-graders about how homosexuality is wrong

It was the week before Thanksgiving, and the substitute teacher had asked the boy’s class: “What are you thankful for this year?” Some of the kids had said turkey and mashed potatoes. One girl mentioned her dog. Another student joked about not having to go to school over the holiday.

The boy’s response was a bit more serious. “I’m thankful that I’m finally going to be adopted by my two dads,” he answered.

Students later said that the substitute snapped, “Why on earth would you be happy about that?”

For the next 10 minutes she lectured the 30 kids in the class about her own views, how “homosexuality is wrong” and “two men living together is a sin.” She looked at the boy, too, and told him: “That’s nothing to be thankful for.”

Three girls asked her to stop multiple times. But she continued, so they walked out of the room to get the principal.

As the substitute was escorted out of the building, she was still arguing, trying to make her point, the boy’s fathers say they were told by school officials.
Wooden bowties, OTOH, are indisputably morally wrong.
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Hugh Akston wrote:
03 Dec 2019, 11:25
UT substitute goes on 10 minute rant to fifth-graders about how homosexuality is wrong

It was the week before Thanksgiving, and the substitute teacher had asked the boy’s class: “What are you thankful for this year?” Some of the kids had said turkey and mashed potatoes. One girl mentioned her dog. Another student joked about not having to go to school over the holiday.

The boy’s response was a bit more serious. “I’m thankful that I’m finally going to be adopted by my two dads,” he answered.

Students later said that the substitute snapped, “Why on earth would you be happy about that?”

For the next 10 minutes she lectured the 30 kids in the class about her own views, how “homosexuality is wrong” and “two men living together is a sin.” She looked at the boy, too, and told him: “That’s nothing to be thankful for.”

Three girls asked her to stop multiple times. But she continued, so they walked out of the room to get the principal.

As the substitute was escorted out of the building, she was still arguing, trying to make her point, the boy’s fathers say they were told by school officials.
Wooden bowties, OTOH, are indisputably morally wrong.
A shave and a haircut would go a long ways towards respectability as well. They look like a couple of guys who got caught robbing a liquor store dressed up for court.
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Reason just mentioned this article in Psychology Today about early childhood education, and how teachers hate the new style of academic conformity they're expected to uphold even in early education, and the number of comments that it inspired.

But frankly what I can't quite get past is how everybody has their own hobbyhorse to blame. It's the government, it's the parents, it's charter schools, it's publishing companies, it's the lack of funding, etc. The one thing everybody agrees on is that there was some vanished Golden Age when everything was great: kids used to love school and learning and they all learned under the care of loving, engaged teachers. I can tell you that there were plenty of crappy teachers, stupid workbooks, and kids who hated school 35 years ago too.
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Texas high school barrs student from graduation because of his dreadlocks

If this story feels familiar, its because the same school district suspended the adorbs kid with the metal hair a couple years back.
"There is no dress code policy that prohibits any cornrow or any other method of wearing of the hair," the district’s superintendent, Greg Poole, said. “Our policy limits the length. It's been that way for 30 years.”
I mean nothing else has changed since the 80s, why would we change this policy?
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JD wrote:
29 Dec 2019, 10:20
But frankly what I can't quite get past is how everybody has their own hobbyhorse to blame. It's the government, it's the parents, it's charter schools, it's publishing companies, it's the lack of funding, etc. The one thing everybody agrees on is that there was some vanished Golden Age when everything was great: kids used to love school and learning and they all learned under the care of loving, engaged teachers. I can tell you that there were plenty of crappy teachers, stupid workbooks, and kids who hated school 35 years ago too.
I'm at the same place, myself.

Educators especially, though, find only one reform acceptable--throw lots more money at them and STFU about results.
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JD wrote:
29 Dec 2019, 10:20
Reason just mentioned this article in Psychology Today about early childhood education, and how teachers hate the new style of academic conformity they're expected to uphold even in early education, and the number of comments that it inspired.

But frankly what I can't quite get past is how everybody has their own hobbyhorse to blame. It's the government, it's the parents, it's charter schools, it's publishing companies, it's the lack of funding, etc. The one thing everybody agrees on is that there was some vanished Golden Age when everything was great: kids used to love school and learning and they all learned under the care of loving, engaged teachers. I can tell you that there were plenty of crappy teachers, stupid workbooks, and kids who hated school 35 years ago too.
They were pointing to that golden age then, too, but it was harder to gainsay because a bunch of people went to one- or two-room schoolhouses and had one or two teachers up until high school and a lot of people didn't go on to high school so a bunch of people never had a enough teachers to compare against to know if theirs were shitty or not. People just expected that most people were dumb as rocks, so 'educational attainment' wasn't such a thing. So when you looked back 40 years from when I was a kid, you're looking into the Depression. Of course everything looks rosy because why wouldn't it be? It was the best and brightest looking back, and they were thinking of how much better things were in their high schools, but the challenging students had all dropped out before even starting high school. It's really easy to have great high school performance that way. Every student really is above average, when you don't include the bottom 50% of potential students.
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Nobody called for help after a school employee body-slammed a 12-year-old student
A 12-year-old boy suffered serious head injuries last week when a staff member at a Pinellas Park alternative school body-slammed him after the boy skipped the lunch line.
A supervisor at the school didn’t call anyone for help, even though the boy was drifting out of consciousness, vomiting, crying and asking for his mother. Instead, the boy was given a bucket and dragged “Weekend at Bernie’s-style” from one room of the school to another, said Pinellas Park police Capt. Adam Geissenberger.
The school supervisor that day, Jarvis Delon West, 28, then went on the bus with the boy to take him home, which is not normal protocol, and told the bus driver to go directly to the student’s house instead of the regular stop, police said. West asked the driver to make a stop along the way at another student’s house to get the boy water, and kept the trash can near the student.

Once at the injured boy’s home, West watched him go into the house but didn’t say anything to his mom about what had happened, police said.

The next day, the boy’s mom kept him home from school with what she thought was the flu. On Thursday, she took him to Johns Hopkins All Children’s Hospital. There she learned he had a skull fracture, two subdural hematomas and a brain bleed, police said.
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The boy’s situation at AMIkids, a school for at-risk youth at 6500 102nd Ave. N, only got worse after that, Pinellas Park police say.
No wonder the youth are "at risk," with violent sociopaths on the staff.
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I am really in desperate need of a Mr Burns "excellent" emoji

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nicole wrote:
23 Jul 2020, 11:44
I am really in desperate need of a Mr Burns "excellent" emoji

I'm not gonna read it but his central thesis isn't wrong. Fuckin' mama bear Karens are the greatest menace to society since the visigoths.
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There's nothing to read. It's an upcoming podcast series.
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nicole wrote:
23 Jul 2020, 13:22
There's nothing to read. It's an upcoming podcast series.
Ah. so s/read/listen/ and otherwise my statement holds.
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lunchstealer wrote:
23 Jul 2020, 13:52
nicole wrote:
23 Jul 2020, 13:22
There's nothing to read. It's an upcoming podcast series.
Ah. so s/read/listen/ and otherwise my statement holds.
The producer is pretty decent. She did early work for Planet Money. It will have a slant but probably will be fair. Unless she’s gone insane with culture war over the past year or so.

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More a matter of what I have time for, and especially that's true of podcasts, because unlike news radio where the subject shifts in discrete parcels, there are relatively few tasks where I can hold the thread of a podcast's conversation long enough to multitask. Even driving I find causes me sadness when trying to listen to podcasts, because I'll find I missed a chunk while concentrating on some bit of sketchy bullshit at an intersection or the like.

I wish I could handle podcasts better, but I can't.
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JasonL wrote:
23 Jul 2020, 14:38
lunchstealer wrote:
23 Jul 2020, 13:52
nicole wrote:
23 Jul 2020, 13:22
There's nothing to read. It's an upcoming podcast series.
Ah. so s/read/listen/ and otherwise my statement holds.
The producer is pretty decent. She did early work for Planet Money. It will have a slant but probably will be fair. Unless she’s gone insane with culture war over the past year or so.
I'd put money on the latter.
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